>>I have NEVER had a set of plans that matched elevations or sections that matched either << I wonder what the underlying problem is, Matt? Training is obviously one (from a self-serving point of view) and I would suspect unaware or indifferent management is another, but I'm not in the trenches on a day to day basis. It's not that it's any more difficult to do it right, it just isn't happening. "Let the painters fix it"! :) Thanks Ted